45-70 paper patch bullets

My 21year old son eric and i drew cow elk tags as our second choice in our favorite hunt unit in the bighorn basin of wyoming. So, what loads do yall use for bp and pyrodex with a paper patch bullet. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110 by tom ball. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. Does anybody know anything about paper patched bullets for 4570. Wrap is high up the ogive to start into the leade of the barrel. Paper patched bullets were used in some early cartridges, though i dont fully understand why. They say the best things in life are free so i suppose free advice is one of the best things theres a logic flaw there somewhere but im too tired to pursue it. This is my go to boolit in my browning 1885 4570 in black powder but now im experimenting with paper patching and using unique as a powder charge. A lot of people are curious about paper patching bullets. There are many ways to patch bullets, smooth bullets are by far the most common and historical way. Gunbroker is the largest seller of reloading supplies ammunition reloading all.

Paul matthews hdldr 1990 bullet making annual paper patching the. I have done all my bpcr shooting4570, 34 shilo using 20. I just got discouraged with my lead bullets because i was not getting the groups i wanted out of my rifles. I have heard of using bore size bullets and i have also heard of using smaller than bore bullets, hopefully one of these guys here will kick in. Since then i have played with paper type, bullet hardness, you name it i tried it. We describe another method to economically and simply custom fit the bullet to your rifle bore to make your military surplus rifle shoot accurately. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. He states that the paper patched bullet is the ultimate in hunting bullets. You may choose from these designs, use one of these as a basis and specify modifications, or submit a completely custom drawing either electronically or by regular mail.

I have heard of using bore size bullets and i have also heard of using smaller than bore bullets, hopefully one of these guys here will kick in some help. The practical paper patch bullet is another book of his and it was replaced by the paper jacket. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. Because the 4570 chambering was never intended for use with paper patched bullets, chamber design does not suffer the limitations that chambers for many other surviving cartridges of the same era do refer to my treatise on the 3855 wcf. As new designs are ordered, they are numbered and added here. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets.

Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45. The patch lube has but one purpose to prevent tearing the patch when the bullet is seated. There is a direct relationship between the bullet casting alloy, the final diameter of the cast slick bullet, the thickness of the patching paper, and how the paper is wrapped on the bullet. Finger wiped bullet lube dried 24 hours on patch before seating bullet. My first attempt at paper patching 4570 cast lead bullets and i met with a slight issue. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets. Here is my 4570 paper patch load450 540gr pure lead bullet with no taper. This expanding catalog contains designs that are already on file. You will only need enough lube peasized to cover the patch. One of the issues involved with paper patching is the bullet needs to fit the bore nearly perfectly for best results. My present circa 1972 marlin 1895 is one of the first from that year and isnt micro groove but i decided to keep water quenching anyway.

Followed by the same questions about how the paper survives in the barrel. Paper patches can be used to make slightly undersized bullets fit a gun with. So, i thought i would give a quick explanation on the concept and then show my process. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed. This is a discussion on paper patching 4570 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. Swaging also allows the bullet to have a desired base design, rather than flat.

The lip of paper extending past the base of the bullet is then twisted together, and may be pushed into a depression cast into the base of the bullet. We describe another method to economically and simply custom fit the bullet to your rifle bore to make your military surplus rifle shoot. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. If it slips in with a slight resistance, its the right size. When i started using h322 in the 4570 loads i needed to water quench to get the bullets to stop stripping in the micro groove barrel. Is paper patching real for making bullets untraceable.

Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Mould blocks are made from durabar 654512 extruded fine grain ductile iron. He told me that in his younger days they would take 255 grain lead flat point bullets for the 45 colt pistol and paper patch them to use in the 4570 because one of the guys had a bullet mold for them and between them the only other mold they had available was for a 500 grain. Good morning, first off, i wouldnt recommend paper patch at all unless you can get with one of these guys here that have figured it all out to help you. Lube grooved bullet on left paper patched without the paper on the right. This means you need to carefully measure the bore of your rifle and then have a custom mold made by one of the many mold makers. In addition to coming to this conclusion about pre patched bullet diameter, i also investigated the factors of bullet hardness, patch type and powder choice, hoping to further refine smokeless powder paper patched loads. Ppbs work equally well with black or smokeless powder.

The bullets must be cast under size enough to allow for the paper, and a slight hollow in the base to pack the paper helps. Place some of the provided patch lube between your thumb and forefinger and twist the bullet, in the same direction the patch is rolled, in the lube. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder. Three hardened dowel pins provide positive alignment in both vertical and horizontal planes. Bullet size and paper size to add up to the right diameter. I found an article about paper patching and wanted to try it. With the hardcast bullets sold at gunshows the rifle would group 45 at the same distance. Linotype can produce beautiful bullets but requires a high level of casting skill and temp control to produce ideal results. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load. My father shoots paper patch bullets in several rifles and for his browning hiwall. The paper patch is moistened slightly with water to make it more pliable and slightly sticky. Paper patch bullet d reamer and shop made casting mold.

North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. I load paper patch bullets mostly for leveraction rifles. The patch is carefully wrapped around the bearing surface of the bullet. Test loads note the waterproofed patches on bullets at left. Bullet diameter for 4570 paper patched cartridge shiloh. For those using paper patch bullets, is there a noticeable difference in the number of shots before accuracy falls off with an uncleaned barrel. Buffalo arms company sells over 12000 black powder cartridge rifles. I do not know who owns this rifle today, but in dan was very. I have cast 400 and 500 grain bullets and will be using vellum to patch the bullets. As a ammunition manufacture, we load over 400 calibers. The diameter of the cast slick and the thickness of the patching paper are at least a bit. Everything seemed to work great except i think i have the patch riding too high up on the bullet nose on the lee 457340 395 gr 2 cavity mold. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline.